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Post by Wing0 on Apr 22, 2009 0:58:57 GMT 3
The song " L'Internationale" has been translated into multiple languages all over the world. It is a famous socialist, communist, and anarchist anthem. Personally, I think the old board's audience should be broadened by changing the banner with the communist symbol.
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Post by Eternal Winter on Apr 22, 2009 1:08:58 GMT 3
If you want the idea of equality then you dont want anyone as an admin
you set up a root account just for the sake of editing the site and one person can have that duty but other than that, let everyone have the same priveledges without chancing having some douche fiddle over the site.
socialism > anarchy
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Riza Karabasan
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Post by Riza Karabasan on Apr 22, 2009 1:55:11 GMT 3
That might turn out to be a dictatorship. That's why everyone should be an admin, and everyone should be able to control. But also, everyone should have the knowledge of being an admin and everything to be changed should be discussed.
Admin system will create classes between comrades, which we would NOT like.
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Post by Anatoliovich on Apr 22, 2009 3:01:16 GMT 3
I don't think you totally understand what I'm exactly saying. Out of all the people on this very forum that I have known ever since I've joined, the thought that something like that would happen is absolutely ridiculous. One person who knows their html and coding will have access to the primary administrator account (I'm not saying it's me, but I know my codes, and I know that Jari is pretty slick with it too when it comes to forum maintenance). Now from an actual real-world standpoint, more than one administrator account is a liability to an actual forum. One administrator account, access to full admin powers from one person, leaves a 1 in a million chance of hacking (basically). If you give everyone an account, compare it with the member base, and then do the math, the chances are that you someone has every. single. account. that they can try to break into. Believe me I know. I've run sites/forums in the past and still do today. Equality is one thing, but if people are truly Communist they won't fret over something so trivial as a forum rank, when all the real action goes down on eRepublik. I don't even like talking about this just because it makes me feel... unclean. ;P
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Riza Karabasan
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Post by Riza Karabasan on Apr 22, 2009 8:19:56 GMT 3
I did run massive forums too. I know what do you mean, but at least everyone should have some kind of authorization.
I am tired of classes in real life, and I don't want classes here. Whether it comes from profession or not, I am an Anarchist Communist.
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Post by Duncomrade on Apr 22, 2009 9:03:12 GMT 3
I will agree with you, rizakarbasan, if you can explain how you would stop a fasicist infiltrator from ruining the entire forum?
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Riza Karabasan
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Post by Riza Karabasan on Apr 22, 2009 10:22:28 GMT 3
Of course, not everyone should be given administrative authorizations directly when they enter the forum. At least they need to prove themselves for several days. After this, we should create a board about pending requests for new members to be admins, we should vote it with a background check.
Those are all simple things and easy to do. And by this way no fascist can ruin our forums.
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Post by Eternal Winter on Apr 22, 2009 10:41:30 GMT 3
meh someone could easily be a spy or just act like a commie
seriously we almost found out the hard way that "democracy" just isnt the greatist when you try and combine it with everyone being treated "equally"
The closest you will get to equality while being anywhere close to smart about managing a forum is if you have everyone at the same rank but not all admins... thats just a wreck waiting to happen honestly.
If there has ever been anything to conflict with communism today its that the human condition is a constant that you can always rely on occuring. Never doubt for a second that someone will screw you over. This almost happened to our communes when we tried to make everything fair.
So seriously, with as much wisdom as possible, I would greatly think this over before making everyone an admin.., lol
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Post by Duncomrade on Apr 22, 2009 10:49:17 GMT 3
Comrades, I found a forum that successfully runs democratic moderatation! Go here for the link and discuss!
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Post by Anatoliovich on Apr 22, 2009 13:22:16 GMT 3
I honestly, honestly, honestly don't see any need at all to do something like make everyone admin. The entire discussion about this is so frustrating I'm laughing at how pointless this is.
I'm telling you right now that anything like that will not work. I can assure you 100%, and if you've really run a site before then you'd know.
There is not enough thought behind the idea at all, and like I said, it's ranks on a forum. Who. Cares.
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Post by maksim on Apr 22, 2009 15:48:13 GMT 3
Giving people who are loyal to the cause administration class will create two classes on a forum. The "trusted class", which would be the administration class would always be superior to non-admin users seeing as they are more "trustworthy". I may be exaggerating a bit, but it will create two classes eventually.
This is why I'm suggesting we continue with the orthodox method of having a few admins whom get elected every month as administrators. The admins won't have any rights. All their actions must be approved by the majority, before they can actually do anything.
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Post by Wing0 on Apr 22, 2009 17:11:44 GMT 3
seriously we almost found out the hard way that "democracy" just isnt the greatist when you try and combine it with everyone being treated "equally" Representative Democracy + Equality = Direct Democracy
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Post by maksim on Apr 22, 2009 21:57:46 GMT 3
Direct democracy, with our current definition, means elected representives, but they still require the support of the majority to do anything.
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Post by ggtk on Apr 22, 2009 22:38:23 GMT 3
So, ok for keeping the forums. But we need to do a lot of work on cleaning it, then. I suggest to remove (and archive) some redundant/unnecessary categories (like General Forums which imho can be moved in another categorie) and to refresh the list of parties. Moreover, we should change the theme and logos that are a little... ugly ? We could also "archive" the old posts. Quackrades, we have to show to the eWorld this is a really, really new start for The Internationale !
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Post by maksim on Apr 22, 2009 22:52:09 GMT 3
I belive creating an archive in every category to make everything as organized as possible should be considered. We should also set a timeframe when inactive topics automaticlly are moved to their respective archives.
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